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steph05050
03-19-2009, 11:28 PM
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The Ultimate Fighting Championship has five members in its Hall of Fame. Each of them – Dan Severn, Mark Coleman, Ken Shamrock, Randy Couture and Royce Gracie – still are active fighters.

And that's why it’s puzzling that Matt Hughes (42-7 MMA, 15-5 UFC), who has contributed as much to the UFC and to mixed martial arts as any of those five, isn't already enshrined.

It appears that Hughes will have to wait until retirement to be inducted, which is as it should have been in the first place.

He was badly beaten and looked like a shell of himself in a drubbing he suffered at the hands of Thiago Alves at UFC 85 in London on June 7. The technical knockout defeat marked his second consecutive loss and third in his last four fights.

But Hughes isn't done.

He'll fight arch-rival Matt Serra on May 23 in the co-main event of UFC 98 at the MGM Grand Garden in Las Vegas, and even has raised the possibility of competing at middleweight.

Earlier this month Hughes answered in Columbus, Ohio, the night before UFC 96, taunting Serra while predicting victory and sounding like a man very much intent on continuing his career.

He says he'll evaluate his career once his contract expires after the Serra fight, though he insisted he'd never fight for another promoter. For Hughes, it's either UFC or bust.

That means he will be facing elite fighters like Jon Fitch, Josh Koscheck, Mike Swick, Martin Kampmann, Dustin Hazelett and Carlos Condit if he chooses to remain in the game – and stay at welterweight.

Regardless of his future, Hughes already has a career filled with sensational victories. He beat Hall-of-Famer Gracie at UFC 60 in May 2006 on one of the most memorable nights in UFC history, and he also has victories over future Hall of Famers Georges St. Pierre and B.J. Penn – plus wins over stars such as Sean Sherk, Frank Trigg and Carlos Newton.

Hughes, though, clearly embraces his shot at Serra, who coached against him on Season 6 of the UFC's reality series on Spike TV, "The Ultimate Fighter." Serra didn’t like Hughes coming into the series, and his distaste for Hughes only increased during the taping.

Serra repeatedly referred to Hughes by a vulgar nickname for a part of the male anatomy and reveled in his fighters' victories over Hughes' fighters.

Hughes said he had no feelings toward Serra one way or another prior to the show, but said his dislike for the one-time champion he derisively referred to as a "one-hit wonder" increased with every insult Serra uttered during the taping.

"One of the more common questions I get is, 'Is that real what we see on the reality show?'" Hughes said. "Actually, it is. For some (reason), he did not like me on that show. Because of what he said about me is why I didn't like him. He's the one who started out with the anger. It wasn't me. I'm easy-going, man."

An easy-going guy who already has accomplished plenty.

Hughes is 9-3 in UFC welterweight title fights and competed in at least one championship bout every year from 2001 through 2007. It's a remarkable record of longevity in a sport where the lifespan at the top is about as long as that of your average NFL coach's tenure.

His last two performances, against St. Pierre at UFC 79 and against Alves at UFC 85, were stunning because of how thoroughly he was handled in each of those bouts.

That prompted calls for his retirement, which Hughes began to discuss after the loss to St. Pierre.

But the opportunity to get his hands on a guy he clearly dislikes has motivated Hughes enough to shelve the talk of retirement. He said he can't envision a scenario in which he doesn't win the fight.

"If you take me out of it and let me look from the outside in, I really think I'm going to pick where the fight's going to be at," Hughes said. "I can use my wrestling offensively to take my opponent down or I can use my wrestling defensively to keep my opponent standing."

In other words, Hughes expects to control the fight.

"I'll definitely push the pace on him. I think he'll get tired on me," Hughes said. "When I want to go to the ground, I'll take him down, and when I want to stay on my feet, I'll defend any shots he might have at me. I think it will go my way, to be honest. I've learned from his one-hit wonder on GSP that he is a big slugger.

"My wife tells me it will go all three rounds and he'll be a bloody mess when I get done with him."

This fight could spell the end of Hughes' run at welterweight, but not the end of his remarkable career.

Hughes conceded he had entertained a move to middleweight in the past and said he would have fought the late Evan Tanner for the middleweight belt had Tanner defeated Rich Franklin at UFC 42.

But Hughes says now he'd only go up for a significant fight, specifically mentioning a bout against middleweight champion Anderson Silva.

At this stage of their careers, it seems like a mismatch, but Hughes insists he's serious.

"I'm toying with the idea of moving to 185 (pounds) to fight Silva," Hughes said. "But I have to square away things in my weight class before I do that."

Hughes already belongs in the UFC Hall of Fame, but if he manages to get through that fight in one piece, they should induct him on the spot, as the odds would be huge against him winning.

"This sport is all about testing yourself and what you're capable of," Hughes said.

Hughes doesn't need to throw one more punch or attempt one more takedown to prove what he's capable of doing. He's already done that.

Source (http://mmajunkie.com/news/14313/wheres-matt-hughes-hall-of-fame-nod.mma)

JT42
03-19-2009, 11:34 PM
I agree he is a shoe-in to the HOF and imo after the Serra fight win or lose (I think it will be win) he should retire and be inducted.

However the idea of moving up to face Silva is ludicrous. He wouldnt stand a chance and I doubt anyone would be interested in watching that. Would be a waste of a fight on Silva's contract.

steph05050
03-19-2009, 11:35 PM
yeah...i think ALL the fighters should be inducted after retirement and i agree that hughes has done more then those guys....i mean 9 time defending champion...thats amazing....but hopefully he will beat serra then retire after it

DRAGON
03-19-2009, 11:42 PM
I think after the Serra fight, win or lose, he should retire and he should get into the HOF.

randyspankstito
03-19-2009, 11:43 PM
He should have a pretty easy time with serra, so it will prolly get his confidence up and he'll try to stick around.

Only to get pwned.

bail3yz
03-20-2009, 12:01 AM
He should have a pretty easy time with serra, so it will prolly get his confidence up and he'll try to stick around.

Only to get pwned.

I hope not, I like Serra.
Even if Serra loses, I hope he at least puts up a decent fight.
Serra should go down to LW after win or lose.. and hughes should strongly consider retiring.

steph05050
03-20-2009, 12:03 AM
I hope not, I like Serra.
Even if Serra loses, I hope he at least puts up a decent fight.
Serra should go down to LW after win or lose.. and hughes should strongly consider retiring.

what? lol...i dont hear that much

bail3yz
03-20-2009, 12:06 AM
yup.. I run the serra fan club.. we have 8 members.. and the other 7 arent aware that they are members

Aaron
03-20-2009, 12:08 AM
i actually think Hughes has some fight left in him...i'd like to see him fight a few other guys like Karo

steph05050
03-20-2009, 12:11 AM
i actually think Hughes has some fight left in him...i'd like to see him fight a few other guys like Karo

id love to see that fight no doubt...i think hughes would have a hard time being champ if he stuck around

vikingpride
03-20-2009, 12:18 AM
He's in no doubt.

He was one of the most dominant champions of all time, if not the most dominant champion of all time.

In his prime he was a wrecking machine. Just carrying guys around like rag dolls and slamming them where ever he felt like it.

As long as he doesn't pull a Pete rose and try to bet on his fights he's in.

He's probably not gonna win man of the year anytime soon, but he's a legend of the octagon plain and simple.

Aaron
03-20-2009, 12:21 AM
id love to see that fight no doubt...i think hughes would have a hard time being champ if he stuck around

oh he'll never be champ again....not a chance....top 5 WW's would beat him pretty badly....gsp, alves, fitch, kos, johnson, would probably all reck him badly

steph05050
03-20-2009, 12:23 AM
oh he'll never be champ again....not a chance....top 5 WW's would beat him pretty badly....gsp, alves, fitch, kos, johnson, would probably all reck him badly

yeah i kno....he would, but back in the day...he would reck them lol....oh the old days:cool:

Aaron
03-20-2009, 12:34 AM
yeah i kno....he would, but back in the day...he would reck them lol....oh the old days:cool:

actually no..he probably wouldn't lol..

hughes hasn't got that much worse...he's still a very good fighter...but the competition is x10 what he faced....wrestling has really taken over the division...and i don't think any one of the guys i listed would have any probably stuffing his td's ....

bbjd7
03-20-2009, 12:39 AM
Yea I really like Hughes I still think he's tough to beat.

I mean something has to be said for Thiago coming in over weight when Matt made weight.

He got destroyed by GSP but so did Fitch and BJ.

Hughes should destroy Serra.

In fact I might write an article about it.

PirateNinja415
03-20-2009, 12:50 AM
huges is definitely a shoe in into the hall of fame, like everyone's said he's done great things for the sport. i don't him as a person outside the ring, but i do respect him as a fighter and his previous accomplishments.

ThatGuyJae
03-20-2009, 01:42 AM
actually no..he probably wouldn't lol..

hughes hasn't got that much worse...he's still a very good fighter...but the competition is x10 what he faced....wrestling has really taken over the division...and i don't think any one of the guys i listed would have any probably stuffing his td's ....

I agree, his wrestling is still good, the problem is even strikers have learned great TDD. When he was in his prime most of his fighters were not nearly on his level when it came to wrestling. This leads to his downfall in the sport now, below average striking. Top strikers have learned to stuff his takedowns and dominate him standing.

I agree he is a sure thing as far as being a Hall of Famer, but i agree they should start waiting until fighters retire. If the come out of retirement and decide to fight later on nothing they can do about that.

KJ Brophy
03-20-2009, 02:29 AM
Yea I really like Hughes I still think he's tough to beat.

I mean something has to be said for Thiago coming in over weight when Matt made weight.

He got destroyed by GSP but so did Fitch and BJ.

Hughes should destroy Serra.

In fact I might write an article about it.

Why don't you ever complain about Gouveia missing weight against J-Mac you seem to think Wilson is a top MW but yet you never complain about him missing weight but whenever Alves gets brought up you complain about him missing weight against Hughes.

bbjd7
03-20-2009, 02:40 AM
I did I actually said it was a damn shame and tainted his victory.

Brad.Taschuk
03-20-2009, 02:57 AM
I'm glad Hughes hasn't been inducted yet. I never liked the idea of inducting active guys into the HOF. As soon as he retires he goes in though, I don't think there's any question.

js9234
03-20-2009, 07:42 AM
Hughes is only 33 which is still fairly young. He just needs to stop running his own camp and go somewhere that he can learn better striking and work on his ground game a little. He's got great wrestling but it didn't help him against GSP or Alves. Always room for improvement.

bail3yz
03-20-2009, 08:05 AM
Hughes is only 33 which is still fairly young. He just needs to stop running his own camp and go somewhere that he can learn better striking and work on his ground game a little. He's got great wrestling but it didn't help him against GSP or Alves. Always room for improvement.

The reason I think Hughes should retire, despite being young is because hes such a big name.. hes not going to ever get any easy fights.. almost any fight he gets he will lose.. because hes not going to evolve. His striking is bad.. his wrestling is good.. but now there are plenty of people that can stuff his TDs with ease.. or have better wrestling then him all together.

If he switched camps and tried to evolve with the rest of MMA, then maybe he shouldnt retire.. but even then I think hes too far behind to catch up to the fighters he'd be facing. But hes not going to switch camps anyways lol

Superman55
03-20-2009, 08:34 AM
Matt Hughes is for sure a shoe in for the HOF.
I want to ask one question though, do you think his reason for not evolving at the same rate as everyone else, is because he is not willing to? Or because of when he trained with the Miletich camp? I mean lets admit, when is the last time that camp had someone on top. Was it Tim Sylvia?

Drogo
03-20-2009, 10:33 AM
Matt Hughes is for sure a shoe in for the HOF.
I want to ask one question though, do you think his reason for not evolving at the same rate as everyone else, is because he is not willing to? Or because of when he trained with the Miletich camp? I mean lets admit, when is the last time that camp had someone on top. Was it Tim Sylvia?

He isn't evolving because he doesn't think he has to. He was on top for so long I think he just can't wrap his head around the idea that he isn't one of the best anymore. 33 is young enough to still improve but I don't think he is able to get in the mindset that he has a LOT of work to do to be one of the top guys again.

He might get in that mindset after he takes a couple more beatings. The way he is talking it doesn't sound like he is going to retire and if he keeps fighting top WW's then he is going to keep losing. He's lucky Dana would never let him in the ring with Silva or he'd be in the hospital.

randyspankstito
03-20-2009, 10:43 AM
actually no..he probably wouldn't lol..

hughes hasn't got that much worse...he's still a very good fighter...but the competition is x10 what he faced....wrestling has really taken over the division...and i don't think any one of the guys i listed would have any probably stuffing his td's ....

Bingo!! We have a winner. Hughes did not progress with the sport. I agree with all that you said.

KJ Brophy
03-20-2009, 12:15 PM
I did I actually said it was a damn shame and tainted his victory.

Well then I am sorry for never seeing that post, but it seems like Thiago gets singled out by people for missing weight when he wasn't the first or last person to ever do it.

Adora
03-20-2009, 12:24 PM
Hughes will be in the HOF at some point. so getting past over this time around isnt that big of a deal. There is 1 fight out there that i would like to see though. That is a Hughes vs Sakuraba fight. I think that would be a great retirement fight.

bbjd7
03-20-2009, 12:41 PM
Well then I am sorry for never seeing that post, but it seems like Thiago gets singled out by people for missing weight when he wasn't the first or last person to ever do it.

In a lot of ways it has to do with how the guy misses weight.

The way Thiago and Wilson missed it was by so much that they really didn't have to go through the hell of cutting the last few pounds which is IMO a big advantage.

I would rip anyone who misses weight by that much and would say it taints anyones victory because in my mind it does.

Embry
03-20-2009, 01:14 PM
As much as I used to like Matt Hughes, I gotta say I think it's time to retire. I still think he will take the win over Serra though :)

ThatGuyJae
03-20-2009, 02:41 PM
As much as I used to like Matt Hughes, I gotta say I think it's time to retire. I still think he will take the win over Serra though :)

I've never liked him and kind of hope he loses to Serra..... Although if Serra lost maybe he'd go back to LW where he stands a better chance of winning fights, also if Hughes wins he'll proly retire, where as if he loses he may keep fighting to go out with a win.

Jack
03-21-2009, 10:55 AM
Hughes will be in the HOF at some point. so getting past over this time around isnt that big of a deal. There is 1 fight out there that i would like to see though. That is a Hughes vs Sakuraba fight. I think that would be a great retirement fight.

I'm a massive Saku fan and would loved to have seen that fight like 4-5 years ago but I have no interest whatsoever in seeing Sakuraba fight anymore. He's old, he's knees are messed up and he's just been in too many wars and beatdowns over the years.

Seriously, as much as I loved PRIDE, they just killed Saku by putting him in fights that he couldn't win against bigger opponents who were at the top of their division. I think it says it all that they actually wanted to make Wandy - Saku 4 but one of them pulled out injured.

Sakuraba needs to retire before he gets seriously hurt in there cos as a fan of his, it's genuinely upsetting to see him fight the way he is now.


But yeah, hughes should be a shoe in for the HOF and deservedly so. Like people have said it's not that he's gotten much worse, it's just that there are too many good wrestlers at 170.